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When the Atheist demands archaeological evidence for God…

UNBELIEVER: There is no archaeological evidence for God.

MBOFANA God is Spirit and He cannot be proven by archaeology, in terms of God’s actual existence He is apart from the universe not part of the universe. Secondly God is not dead, with remains somewhere in a tomb that He has to be dug up, so in earnest that claim shows that the person making the claim doesn’t even know what He means by “God”. This is why you must always ask any unbeliever what he means by God because clearly in this case the fellow does not have the slightest idea. Even if he knew then he knows the sound of the word not the essence of what the word means for if He knew the essence, he wouldn’t be asking for evidence.


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Is the bible false just because events therein are not dated according to the modern calendar?

Here is a conversation I had with an unbeliever, I have edited the conversation for clarity. As you will realise the unbeliever claims that they are no dates in the bible, though it may sound like the unbeliever is making sense and asking a genuine question, you shall realise as you proceed that the unbeliever has an intention of showing the bible to be an untrustworthy source thus without truth. Yet at the end of it all the assertions of the unbeliever will be shown to be foolish. 

UNBELIEVER: “Why are there no dates in the Bible?”.

BELIEVER So what if they are no dates, does that make the bible any less true? And if it does how do you know that if it had dates it would be better and by the way what qualifies as a valid date to you?

UNBELIEVER A date is a specific time that can be named , for example a particular day….

BELIEVER A date, a specific time that can be named. That again is a very vague definition for purposes of our discussion. It does not tell us how the time ought to be named and who must name it in order for it to be considerd dated. You say that if a book does not contain dates its inaccurate, because according to you the only way for a book to be accurate is by way of having dates. However you must answer the following question what do yo consider to be a date? Should Moses have written the dates as we know them today? what should kind of dating system should a writer have used in order for us to prove that indeed his historical account is true?

UNBELIEVER There are no actual dates in the bible….. that is the point…

BELIEVER What are actual dates and dertemines actual dates, besides months are based on the moon and way before the morden calendar ancient people had calendars with months and years. Well you imply ancient people knew of no dates? then how do you yourselves claim the world billions of years old? The Israelites had their own claendar so did the Babylonians and Egyptians! Just because you are living in much more technologically advanced world doesnt mean ancient people knew nothing. They had methods to reckon time and seasons.


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God is not “reasoning” for scientific ignorance

Here is a response to Mr. Shingai Rukwata Ndoro’s article “God is reasoning for scientific ignorance”. Va Ndoro is an atheist whose otherwise blasphemous articles appear in the Religious section of sundaymail.co.zw as you will realise Va Ndoro bundles all of religion as having basis in scientific ignorance. All of Va Ndoro’s arguements are better suited as descriptions of pagan idols not the Triune God. In my response I  prove that Va Ndoro’s veiled attacks on Christianity are not only false but are no match to the superior truth claims of Christianity. Below each paragraph from Va Ndoro`s article is my response.

VA NDORO :  THE core of a religious disposition is that the source and sustenance of life is from the causative and creative power of a supernatural force or power, a deity. Such a deity or “God” is then assumed to be humanoid or anthropological with “an appearance, character and resembling that of a human being.”

MBOFANA : There is nothing anthropological about the Trinitarian God in the Christian Religion, The Bible says God is Spirit, Va Ndoro’s description can only be correct if He is describing pagan deities. Also we do not assume they is God, we KNOW they is God because He has revelaed himself to us in His revelation. Maybe Va Ndoro wanted to describe Jesus who as we all know had a human nature, but then again Jesus was both Divine and Human, this is not even what Va Ndoro knows and either way His description of God doesnt amount into an objection since he is describing something other than the God of the bible hence any objection to the God of the bible must follow a correct description otherwise it cannot be an objection worth wasting time on.

VA NDORO : The deity is also assumed to actively intervene, respond to and get involved in daily human behaviour. It does so by requiring appeasement through perpetual petitioning, invocations and supplications combined with fervent adorations.

To say that God merely intervines is an understatement let me state it here that God has decreed everything that comes to pass according to the pleasure of His will. In fact God is omni present, OMNIPOTENT and omniscient, thus Va Ndoro here misunderstands what we know about God and any conclusion deduced from this misunderstanding on Shingai’s part  cannot be accepted as valid.

VA NDORO Scientifically, each individual is a biological seed and product of the sexual relationship of one’s parents. Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Rastafarianism) then ridiculously claim the whole humanity is a seed of Abraham.At the beginning of life in general or origins of humanity in particular, they placed a humanoid deity as narrated in Genesis.

Va Ndoro here comes up with a blanket statement, The bible clearly tells us that every human is a biological descendant of Adam the first man, not Abraham. Thus again Va Ndoro rushes to make false assertions which will invariably lead to a false conclusion. As I explained in the first paragraph, God is Triune, a concept that is biblical that Va Ndoro may not be able to comprehend. God is Spirit, He is not human like Va Ndoro would otherwise want people to believe. 

VANDORO The human failure to explain certain things has been the “evidence” for the existence of a deity assumed to have caused everything. Ancients had to find an appropriate name for the force of life or cosmic energy.

MBOFANA This assumes that Christians have given the name “God” to cosmic ernegy or force, though they actually may not know this. However again this is false because the definition of God according to Christians is way broader beyond the definition of Cosmic ernegy or force in so many ways to an extent that Christians could never have ever invented God as to fill a gap pertaining their lack of knowledge pertaining cosmology. However his understanding of god best describes pantheistic religions such as that of ancient ROme within which where multiple gods and one particurlarly represantantive of “cosmic ernegy or force. Therefore since Va Ndoro cannot even accurately describe the Triune God, He has no right therefore to conclude that the Triune God is reasoning for scientific ignorance.

VA NDORO Among all the organised religions, Christianity is the only one without such a name of a deity because the word “God” came into Christianity from a Germanic mythical ancestor, “Gaud/Gawd/Gott,” after the 9th century.Before that, the deity was called “Theos” (Greek Concordance #2316, assumed to be the “supreme force that created and sustains the universe”) and Latin “Deus/Dieu” (itself derived from the chief deity of the Greek pantheon, “Zeus”(#2203), meaning, “lighting, brightness of sky, and clarity of vision”) (Etymology Dictionary).

MBOFANA Another  assertion by Va Ndoro, who hopes to carry away many people who may not know Christian doctrine so well. The name of God is sure to be dependant on language and this is not a problem for even God’s revelation has been translated into various languages. And even if there are multiple names for God how is this an objection against His existence, how is this empirical evidence for God’s non existence. Also how is this even proof that “God” is reasoning for scientific ignorance.

VA NDORO Since nature abhors a vacuum, the religious people made up some assumptions that cannot be supported by empirical evidence

MBOFANA  I assume, Va Ndoro here means that God cannot be proven by empirical evidence and well, so what if empirircsm cannot prove God? How is this an objection against God’s existence. How is this therfore evidence that God is an invetion of fearful, insecure people and even then can Va Ndoro prove it the thoughts of those that He claims invented the idea about God using empiricsm. ideas, thoughts, dreams cannot be proven by observation, Thus if empiricism cannot prove some things it therefore cannot prove all things and if it cannot prove all things then by that token it cannot be concluded that what empiricsm cannot prove does not exist. Just because empiricsm cannot prove God it does not mean God does not exist.

VA NDORO To the scientific minded, a deity is a formless variable and gap filler for the religious regarding the following:

 MBOFANA How can something formless  be a variable. How can non existence vary. Formlesness means non existence. What does this even mean? Does it mean scientific people believe in contradictory statements or what..?

VA NDORO Third, paternal and superior humanoid figure, this is to whom humans look up to with attributes of an alpha male, considered craving for people’s recognition and in turn controls and is intrusive in people’s lives. An individual’s conscience and empathy is then subjected to fear or avoidance of pain or loss instead of responsibility and accountability.

MBOFANA Let Va Ndoro first prove by observation that a conscience exists, an empathy exists, then having done so let him prove that God subjects these two to fear instead of accountability and responsibility.  Let him prove by way of observation and senses that scientific knowledge is the source of acccountability and responsibility, then having done so let him prove by by observation alone the concept of acconatbility and responsibility.
The god who craves for attention invented in the minds of insecure and cowardly men is indeed an idol, for such are the attributes of the idols according to the bible, however Va Ndoro cannot claim to know this if he is to be faithful to his system.  Since empiricsm cannot prove historical events I could ask him how his senses led him to know that the ancient people created god out of an emotianal need and fear of uncertainity. Thats if observation can even prove there is an such thing as an emotion.

God is not a human figure, He cant die, He is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. Here Shingai claims God has attributes of an alpha male, yet this comparison is false according to the bible for an alpha male is top because he is competing where they are plenty other beta and alpha males. The alpha male competes for a mate, for a job, for survival. God competes with nobody, He is sovereign and His plans cannot be thwarted, He does what He wants when he wants. 

VA NDORO For example, when human beings do not know the bio-chemical processes of a diseased body, they will explain it superstitiously. Fifth, social and historical phenomena – the perpetual conflict between positive and negative, good and evil, vitality and decay.

MBOFANA Here Shingai says that humans without  knowledge of biochemical processes will be superstitious, thereby even by that measure He implies that God is a supersticious idea  invented by humans who lack  particular information for which they have substituted with the idea of God and once humans find the information for which they had created God as gap filler Shingai assumes that such people will immidiately abandon the idea and belief in God.

The above arguement is invalid first because here Shingai draws parallels betwen two events whose cause isnt necessarily similar as i prove below. According to Shingai : Lack of scientific  knowledge causes people to be superstitious. To believe in God is superstitious. Therefore those who beleive in God have no scientific knowledge. 

As you can see they way too many scientists of repute known to have been believers in the Triune God thus lack of scientific knowledge cannot be attributed as a cause of belief in God nor can it be attributed as a sole cause of abandoned belief in God. Therefore His argument cannot be a valid proof that God is reasoning for scientific ignorance.

“Indeed, those ancient, ignorant people who believed in the virgin birth of Christ must have believed it because they did not possess the knowledge of how babies were born. Goodness. The virgin birth of Christ was profound and of paramount concern to the ancients precisely because they understood that conception was impossible without intercourse. Ancient man considered the virgin birth miraculous, i.e., impossible without divine action (and at the time most people scorned the idea), and the same could be said with every miraculous story in Scripture”. – Eric Hyde [ ehyde.wordpress.com/ top-10-most-common-atheist-arguements-and-why-they-fail]

VA NDOROThe method of science is to find and provide a credible, verifiable and objective explanation based on empirical evidence of the “How” of natural phenomenon. It continuously improves with further research.

MBOFANA Since Va Ndoro belives thinks that in order to verify any, science must be deployed,  let Shingai prove by His methods that they is such a thing as credible. Also this is a false assertion for a number of reasons. By verifiable Va Ndoro means that a scientific experiment can be repeated over and over thus producing the exact results. However Science has multiple problems and i will present only one below:
1. Science affirms the consquent, what this means is that its assumed that if an event A followed event B therefore Event A caused Event B. 
According to Va Ndoro : Lack of scientific  knowledge causes people to be superstitious. To believe in God is superstitious. Therefore those who beleive in God have no scientific knowledge. 
In the above example Va Ndoro assumes that the belief in God is caused by lack in scientific knowledge, this is a lie, There maybe a dozen reasons other than lack of scientific knowledge causing people to believe in God.

Finally in the last 3 paragraphs Va Ndoro quotes Sigmund Freud as support for His veiled attack on Christianity. My arguments against His in the rest of the article can clearly be used to show that even his appeal to Sigmund Freud is no basis for  thinking that God is reasoning for scientific ignorance.

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